Daniel 10

If you look at Daniel 10 you see there is a man who talks with Daniel and puts a hand on his shoulder and tells him mysteries about the plans of God. Some teach this is Gabriel and some that it is another archangel. If you look at Revelation 1 you see it is the Son of Man written about in the Book of Enoch. You see His name. If you encounter Him today you see He is just the same except now He has died (crucified) and has risen. 

We are told

We are told by the Son of Man to stop doing what causes shame - and that means not just feeling guilt and shame but changing our behaviour on an ongoing basis - once and for good - and making our normal behaviour good - so if we slip occasionally we revert to good quickly - which means we make truthful speech our normal first language and lies become a foreign language to us - and drug use and drug work is foreign to us - and adulterous behaviour and other such immorality is alien to us - and hatred is not our normal mode of operation at all so if we get angry it lasts but an hour or so then stops and is put aside - and we reject ways of worship that are not real and are not based on truth but are for profit or gain or based on lies - and we make courageous attitude towards danger our thing rather than evil cowardice and rather than making dread the prime morivator in us - and we major on faith and exercise it and embrace the faith God puts within us - and we continue like this all our lives believing The Son of Man ever lives and ever keeps us in this path as we hold to His teachings permanently. (References: Gospel of John chapter 8, Revelation chapter 22)

The Cutting of Roots

There is a Greek (ancient and modern) word φάρμακον (pronounced pharmakon).
English translations include 'sorcerer' and 'medic' and 'pharmacist'. The online dictionary 'Wiktionary' says this about the Ancient Greek word φάρμακον: "Unclear etymology, Pokorny (1959) connects the Greek root φαρ- of φαρόω (pharóō, “to plough”), φάρυγξ (phárunx, “throat”), from a Proto-Indo-European *bʰer- (“to cut, pierce, scrape”) (i.e., a medicinal herb or root as something cut off or dug up) ..."
The Book of Enoch provides explanation in the arts taught by the fallen angel Semjâzâ "Semjâzâ taught enchantments, and root-cuttings" but take note of the seriousness with which God condemns those who practice it (in Revelation 21:8):
"... they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

The Ninth Week

The ninety-first chapter of the Book of Enoch (R H Charles translation) reads:

"12. And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness,
And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous judgement may be executed on the oppressors,
And sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous.

13 And at its close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness,
And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore,
14d. And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.

14a. And after that, in the ninth week, the righteous judgement shall be revealed to the whole world,
b. And all the works of the godless shall vanish from all the earth,
c. And the world shall be written down for destruction.

15. And after this, in the tenth week in the seventh part,
There shall be the great eternal judgement,
In which He will execute vengeance amongst the angels." (Enoch 91)

c3100 end of tenth week
c2400 start of tenth week
c1700 start of ninth week
c1000 start of eighth week
c300 start of seventh week
c400 BC start of sixth week
c1100 BC start of fifth week
c1800 BC start of fourth week
c2500 BC start of third week
c3200 BC start of second week
c3900 BC start of first week

So here we are in the early twenty-first century, the middle of the ninth week and God gives some a foretaste of things to come. The dominion power humans were made to have over nature will become normal reality. The Son of Man has it now - doninion over nature and dominion over me (hopefully you too) - and words remain in those who receive them that give them some dominion now by faith in the love of God counting on it like these words convey: "Say to this mountain 'Move' and it will move if you believe and do not doubt in your heart". This saying is true about any of nature - animals, plants, rocks, mountains, sea. It is just humans that harden their hearts and disobey but humans too are subject to God's power over them which can mean we can use faith to command humans too and they obey when God makes it so. Our little faith and the many hindrances surrounding us mean we get only a forestaste now until the Son of Man comes in the clouds (before the ninth week). Then man will command nature all the time with full dominion - those who received the call to stop sinning and let the Son make them saints will have dominion by faith in God like the Son of Man already has. This will mean a time of great judgement among humans but the final judgement by God will not come until near the end of the tenth week, many centuries from now. A week is 700 years.

Is the Book of Enoch True?

Regarding the Book of Enoch scripture and whether it is true: 1) The Holy Spirit inspires the same kinds of prophetic words today as were written in the Book of Enoch and He is the truthful witness. 2) The archaeology found in recent decades of the time written about in the Book of Enoch is in detailed agreement with the Book of Enoch. 3) The whole Book of Enoch is just like chapter 1 verse 1 says - it is a true blessing in living a righteous life during these dark times. 4) The Book of Enoch says such things about God in the past that if they were a lie and you knowing this still let those things be accepted it would be a sin against God. Jesus knew about the Book of Enoch since it was among the Dead Sea Scroll scriptures so was avialable at His time and Jude His biological brother quoted it as being true prophecy. Jesus taught teachings found in no othee scripture except the Book of Enoch (such as what happens after death). So for Jesus to know about it and know about God and love God He must have believed it is true or He would have surely opposed it at least because of what it says about God's historic actions in commanding the Nephilim be destroyed by His angels. So the veracity of the Book of Enoch is strongly linked to the veracity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They are only scriptures

Scriptures are only scriptures. Scriptures like the Bible and the Book of Enoch prescribe the Son of Man and lead you to go to Him for what is life-giving. Then it is this Son of Man Himself and the Holy Spirit given in His name that is life. He leads, in turn, to God. Sometimes He points to scripture but not always. These days so many get stuck with just getting versed in scriptures and do not progress to get life. They merely do not believe what they read. They stumble because they do not combine scriptures with faith. Like someone who does not believe in medicines - if a doctor gives me a prescription I might just take it away and read it and look up the medicines online - but not actually take it to the pharmacist to get the medicine it prescribes. So people look at scriptures and study them but go no further. I can understand people throwing away a prescription a doctor gives them without taking it to a pharmacist to get drugs but that happening with scripture is very sad. You have to actually get the life scripture describes by doing what scripture says and going to the Son of Man, and this applies with the Book of Enoch as with any scripture. Not believing means wasting the opportunity to truly live.

Why is the Book of Enoch not in the Bible?

Why is the Book of Enoch not in the Bible? In the time of Christ and the first Apostles the belief in the Book of Enoch had a lot of influence on the New Testament scriptures being written with Jesus and Jude and Peter and John clearly including Enoch's teachings and building on them. Up until the time of the early Church Fathers that faith continued but later it waned. Gradually people started to forget about the Book of Enoch or doubt it more and more. When the first Bibles were put together the Book of Enoch was left out except with the Bible of the Ethiopic and Eritrean Orthodox Church and some other orthodox believers also kept it. In Europe most people lost the knowledge of the existence of the Book of Enoch and by the time they were publishing 66 book Bibles they did not know about any copies of it. Eventually the Book of Enoch was discovered again by a Scottish freemason traveller but by then the 66 book Bible was so popular nobody wanted to add further books to it and probably too few people would pay the extra to buy a larger Bible.

The Son of Man who Died but Resurrected

In ancient prohecy like that of Enoch and Daniel, the Son of Man is the eternal one who is ever human and we now know He would one day become a flesh and blood mortal human and die and rise again. For us now we can look back and see Jesus is this man. And we can look forward and see He always will be this man, now alive from the dead.

Human Son of God

Jesus Christ taught that He the Son of God is the Son of Man. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man." By saying He is the Son of Man He means He is a human being. This meaning is so important and in scriptures such as the books of Enoch and Daniel and the Book of Revelation and indeed the gospels which teach about the Son of Man this is a phrase used to describe the same person appearing to people throughout history as a human being accompanying God Himself.

God Does Have a Son

One verse in all the Book of Enoch seems the most remarkable to me because it contains a most ancient scriptural statement by God affirming that He has a Son. It is near the end of the collection of texts - chapter 105 (by R H Charles' chapter numbering) "In those days the Lord bade (them) to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show (it) unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen."

Shout it out

Worthless teachings go unchallenged when those who have been told wise sayings keep quiet about them.
"Shout from the rooftops what is whispered in your ear. Nothing is hidden that will not be exposed."

This Appointed Time

When people read the Book of Enoch years ago and even today they doubt the words of it even though it is the truth; this doubt is partly because of ignorance of history and ignorance of heavenly, spiritual and moral things about which Enoch testified. Yet now the facts and knowledge can be found in museums and books and online too as well as by gifts of the spirit in some churches. The prophet Daniel built on truths taught by Enoch such as the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man and the future of all things. In the past people doubted the underlying message of Daniel too such as his testimony about the Messiah existing since most ancient times as the one in highest authority besides God. Now that the facts to support the truth of Enoch's testimony are available the message of Enoch and related message of Daniel no longer need sealing away in obscurity because students of such verifying facts can bring them into the public awareness in support of Enoch and Daniel. 

Who is the Son of Man? Do you believe in Him?

Who is the Son of Man? Enoch described the Son of Man in the Parables section of the Book of Enoch: Similar in appearance to the description of God the Ancient of Days with white hair and shining but the Son of Man is by that very title described as human. Another few appearances of this person in history are described in scriptures too. Four such appearances are described in a very similar fashion. First of two described by Daniel is in Daniel 7 and then another is in Daniel 10. Daniel 7 (verses 13-14) matches closely Enoch's vision of the Som of Man and the Ancient of Days (sometimes translated Head of Days). The Daniel 10 appearance better matches descriptions in New Testament scriptures clearly linking this person to Jesus Christ. First there is the Apostle Paul (then named Saul) on the Damascus road. It is similar in that this person was seen most fully by only one recipent while others nearby were stunned or in terror by the little they did see. Then there is the vision of Him given to John in Revelation (1:13ff) who describes it deliberately following almost exactly the format of description by Daniel 10. Here is Enoch's description of the Son of Man that Daniel 7 matches closely:
Book of Enoch 43 "There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was; and why he accompanied the Ancient of days. He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness."
Here is Daniel's deacription in Daniel 7
Daniel 7v9-10 “As I looked thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened." v13-14: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."
Here in Daniel 10
Daniel 10v5-7 "I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen, with a belt of fine gold from Uphaz around his waist. His body was like topaz, his face like lightning, his eyes like flaming torches, his arms and legs like the gleam of burnished bronze, and his voice like the sound of a multitude. I, Daniel, was the only one who saw the vision; those who were with me did not see it, but such terror overwhelmed them that they fled and hid themselves."
Then here in Revelation chapter 1
Revelation 1v12-16 "I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance."
And here is Paul's vision that converted him to Christ
(Acts 9:3-9) 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

So as Jesus once asked: Do you believe in the Son of Man?

Scriptures outside the Western churches canon

Jesus teaches much not taught clearly in other scriptures included in the Western canon and some is clearest when you look at scriptures not canonised by western churches. Take the matter of who goes to hell (the dark part of Sheol, Hades) and how wicked you need to be to go there. The Book of Jasher description of Sodom describes the ancient world meaning of 'wickedness' so eloquently - very illuminating. The Book of Enoch describes it too especially focusing on violent crime and disregard of justice. That fits with Jasher. The poor are noted as victims of it in Jasher. The innocent 'sheep' are noted victims in Enoch - the righteous are so often those oppressed by the wicked. Being righteous puts people at risk of the wicked taking advantage, but is still the best way in light of what Enoch knew of the future judgement against the wicked and the future easing of the burdens of the righteous as the Lord, the Son of Man removes the wicked from among them in the future. Jesus the actual Son of Man made flesh took it further by showing how neglect of innocent poor by wicked rich is being balanced out constantly after death in the afterflfe too, even before the future turning of tables and eventual final judgement. We need to turn from things we learn are wicked and learn to do right and we need to accept what is bad as it comes to us in this life knowing it will be balanced out in the afterlife.  Interesting how in the parable or story Jesus told of the Rich Man and Lazarus it is Abraham who reminds the rich man in the afterlife that no more warning is needed to be given to the rich man's living brothers except what scriptures already give of a terrible afterlife result of disregarding the poor in the first life - interesting because it is only really the Book of Enoch that gives such warning directly and clearly, including such detail about the afterlife and who is sent where. Clearly Jesus was mindful of the Book of Enoch when giving such a teaching and was calling it scripture. To say the scriptures are so clear that people need no more warning in this life about the treatment of the poor and the afterlife after death means you have to include Book of Jasher passages clearly spelling out the wickedness of Sodom and Book of Enoch passages describing the places of the dead. This means they are what Jesus calls scripture. We need to know this and know it now.

Who listens to the message of Enoch?

The actual message of the Book of Enoch: Is anyone listening to it? And if many in society listened what could anyone do to keep faith with that message? So many careers and key parts of modern life are committed to deeply that are shown for the evil they are but are so hard for mankind to change or challenge. Drugs industry, technology, everyday life sciences, medical services, cosmetics, metals industries, based on alchemy and medical sorcery decried by Enoch and Noah and archangels and even God Himself, says this book. With man the correct course of action seems impossible but "with God all things are possible" (said the Son of Man).

An Awkward Reality

From its opening words the Book of Enoch is problematic, especially when believed. "The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed" Two immediate problems for modern society and individuals are presented here: the doom of humans while just some are blessed and the reality of the existence of wickedness and righteousness. Perhaps this awkward version of reality it presents causes the backlash it receives and those who believe it recieve.

Entertainment for faith

Many delight in all the modern television programmes making entertainment out of history and documentary material. Light on fact perhaps but people do at least watch and learn. For combining the need for entertainment with the need for self-improvement they can seem to fit the bill. Yet what kind of improvement is truly beneficial. If we find we lack religious faith while some around us seem to just believe what they are supposed to believe without fear of death and afterlife we might want to use entertainment time to kill two birds with one stone and seek some faith at the same time. What kinds of programmes might we try to find and watch? I find ancient history of Jerusalem has much to offer. Looking at the historic times of King Hezekiah and his live-in palace prophet Isaiah is a good place to start. Then programmes about the events and places of the gospel accounts. Then the existence of bones in Bulgaria considered to belong to the cousin of Jesus of Nazareth, John the Baptist. There is a great National Geographic programme about this. Consider as well the testimony of John the Baptist and the prophecies in scriptures about the messenger like Elijah sent to prepare the way for the Messiah. The next place to note is Rome where the bones of Peter lie buried beneath the present day Vatican. The UK BBC has run a great series about the inside of the Vatican covering this. The Vatican is worth a visit even or at least a look at the evidence about Peter. Then another area to watch is anything about Sumeria and the Calcholithic finds of Palestine and Predynastic Egypt and a look at the Early Dynastic periods of Uruk and the like and use Wikipedia for comparison of such archaeology and history with the Book of Enoch from the greater Ethiopic bible canon (compare with extant text of 'The Instruction of Shurrapak' for example). Finally look at programmes about the texts found in ancient first and second century AD ribbish tip archeology sites outside Cairo, etc where some texts include mention of Jesus. Then you have to join the dots in your own head and judge for yourself because the scientists and historians and academics won't do that for you. If you did nothing so far to gather the information other that sit and watch a screen you might gave plenty of energy left to process it all.

It is written

One great technology with which we are perhaps most familiar is writing. Writing developed from lists of items to full prose rendition of verbal sentences around 3000 BC but this development appears most prominently in archaeology around 2500 BC in the finds of the Tel Fara region of Mesopotamia. The Book of Enoch survives as arguably the oldest religious prose writing (scripture) we have existing today. It is recorded in the Book of Jasher that Enoch (Sumerian En-men-dur-ana living in the Sumerian Copper-Stone Age around 3300 to 3000 BC) was first to learn how to write testimonial prose. This was at the time when cuneiform writing on clay and stone was limited to lists and numbers. Archaeologists date the start of the so-called Fara Period when writing prose books became possible and commonplace to around 2500 BC, the 25th century BC. Enoch, the first person to write like this, using a form of writing that could record speech and thought, said to his son (Biblical Methuselah) that he started writing before his marriage. This would be around the 31st century BC (around 3150 BC). [Adam was created in the 39th century BC according to calculations based on the ancient Seder Olam biblical chronology and Enoch was born over 600 years later so around 3200 BC.] Sumerian history records that he famously ascended with angels to where the throne of God is. Genesis says this was in his 365th year which would put it in the 29th century BC (around 2850 BC). The majority of the Book of Enoch consists of writings which report to be from this time. Clearly he had been writing before then according to the account of his first dream. So writing characteristic of the Fara Period may have existed as early as the 31st century BC and the Book of Enoch texts or many of them may have existed in the 28th century BC. The Fara Period known to archaeology extends from around 2500 to 2000 BC but the existence of Book of Enoch may show it started centuries prior to this when Enoch started writing these scriptures still existing today.

Consider the Rainfall

The Book of Enoch is a very ancient set of scripture texts with a clear theme about the quality of the teachings we receive to guide our lives and nourish our souls. Consider the rainfall. When we want pure water and there is no running clean river or tap water, we can collect and drink rainfall because it is usually clean and relatively unpolluted. Consider our need for pure teachings. Enoch warns that the history of worldly teachings and science has been marred by human lust for harmful learning and fallen angels taking advantage of us. We so so need clean unpolluted teachings for the soul and to guide our ways of living. The Parable sections of the Book of Enoch tell of a Son of Man hidden by God in heaven who only learned from God the most unpolluted teachings and was kept pure by God as a Son and chosen one who would not be contaminated by the world or fallen angels but would just learn from God Himself and the Holy Spirit. So we can look to seek out the teachings of this Son of Man since Jesus has told us it is Himself and we can have that teaching within us like unpolluted rainfall when truly clean water is in scarce supply and all around us is impure and defiles the soul of any who learn from it. Instead of learning from a crazy world we can learn instead from the Christ who only learns from God being hidden by God through all time until the time He became flesh on earth.

The Test of Time

The Book of Enoch is important prophetic scripture left out of the Bible (except the Eritrean and Ethiopic Orthodox Bible). There is a simple test of whether the Book of Enoch prophecies are true: Combine Enoch chapters 90-91 (a foretelling of all history) with the Book of Revelation and with the Seder Olam calculations of Old Testament based chronology and you get a prediction that within the next few decades the Temple in Jerusalem will be built. So if this happens then the Book of Enoch texts will be verified. Here is the reasoning in more detail:

Adam created c3850 BC (SO)
Enoch walking with God from c3150 BC to c2850 BC (SO)
Enoch translated c2850 BC (SO)
Noah born c2750 BC (SO)
Flood c2150 BC (SO)
Law given to Moses c1350 BC (SO)
First Jerusalem Temple built c850 BC (SO)
Last Jerusalem Temple started by c2050 AD (Rev 11)
Christ starts reign of 1000 years c2100 AD (Rev 20)
Judgement Day c3100 AD (Enoch 91)

References:
SO = Seder Olam https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seder_Olam_Rabbah , http://www.betemunah.org/sederolam.html
Enoch = Book of Enoch (R H Charles translation chapter numbering) http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe097.htm
Rev = Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation

Seven Mountains

Many times in the Book of Enoch it is recorded how Enoch visited seven mountains. Now usually the impression is given that they were together. It might be that each set of seven is separate, because each occassion gives the set of seven a special set of chatacteristics. It is usual that they are described as volcanoes. Sometimes one of these is described as highest perhaps in the region or highest in the world known to the Sumerian audience of Enoch. Interestingly there is today a known set of seven volcanoes spanning the main continents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_Seven_Summits and one of these is actually the highest mountain in the Middle East world of Enoch's primary audience, Mount Damarvand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Damavand so could this mountain have very special significance such as site of the cavernous crystal-and-fire-walled caves of the throne place of God?

The Book of Enoch and the Elusive Parables

There exists in the Book of Enoch a section called the Parables (or Book of Parables or Similitudes) which make much mention of the Son of Man. This Son of Man is also called the Anointed One. He will sit with God on God's throne and was with God from before creation. It is quite well known that the Dead Sea Scrolls although including much of the Book of Enoch, do not yet appear to include fragments from this section. Were it not for the testimony of the Christ Himself and of God from heaven and the first hand testimonies of those having seen these things, many would not believe solely on the basis of the Book of Enoch Parables but add them to these testimonies and they all fit like a jigsaw puzzle in which the more pieces of the puzzle you have the clearer the picture of Christ you get. Ultimately you also need knowledge of the power of God to be able to combine it all with faith. Yet the believer who is believing based on these testimonies gets so much more joy when reading Enoch's Parables. It points the reader of other scriptures too (Daniel, Isaiah, Revelation) in the right direction in how the Son of Man, the Christ is seen in these.
Yet it is clear to me that Christ used knowledge already present of the existence of the supernatural Son of Man which is there in Daniel but must have been around in other forms given the extreme confidence with which the Christ spoke of this Son of Man and with which He expected His meaning to be understood and to me this is ample evidence of there being writings available and known at the time to His audience such as the Book of Enoch Parables. It is only a matter of time before they surface as physical evidence too.
Remember when planets are discovered they might be only detected at first by the gravitational affect of them on other planets long before they are actually seen through telescopes. So with the prophecy of the Son of Man which we see by its affects on Jesus' teachings. Enoch's Parables fit this perfectly so it seems highly likely they were in circulation at Jesus' time. Whether factors will lead to physical artefact evidence being suppressed - yes it is likely it will do even if it has not done so already.
Following the same line of reasoning, there is a gap in the underatanding Daniel showed of his experience of the man (Son of Man) recorded in chapters 7 to 11 where it is clear he had some awareness of who it was and expected some readers to have this awareness yet where that awareness came from is hidden - and here again the existence of the Enoch Parables in Daniel's time (available to Daniel and his readers) would perfectly fit this gap.

A Fuller Gospel is Needed

It is my sincere belief that a fuller gospel is needed - not only to include baptism in the Holy Spirit (the traditional full gospel) but also including following of the leadership of the Holy Spirit - and if you don't do that I will not accept you as a brother in Christ (nor anyone who does not follow Him).

So, reject the Holy Spirit's Leadership and I reject your discipleship.